As we enter a New Year we hope you all had a good Christmas and have recovered from the New Year celebrations. Our last edition caused us some problems and only through the persistence of A5 Publishing did we succeed in producing edi-
tion three. Because of these difﬁculties the photograph with the caption ‘Who do you recognise?’ might have resulted in the answer being ‘Nobody’, due to the quality of the picture, however, we did receive two replies. This month we have another contribution from Gareth who assures us he has not used any words, this time, which cannot be translated into Welsh!
We should also mention the dedicated team who now help with and deliver this news sheet (which is gradually becoming a
newspaper)! The time consuming translation into Welsh is carried out by Sue Jones with Tina Lloyd typing. Delivery is by Bronwen Lebbon with assistance from staff and sometimes children from the school. Parc is delivered by Jenny (Fruit and Veg) Jones, the Farms along the A5 by Tina Lloyd, Jenny Jones or Steve Davies do the Morfydd, Eddie Fisher the Fedw. We are very grateful to them all, but if we are to continue without stressing out the few, we need a bit more help from volunteers. For those we do not man-age to deliver to - you can get your copies at the Post Ofﬁce or the Grouse.
Our article on ‘Where is Carrog?’ brought a varied response as you will read below and we are sure that everyone will be grate-
ful that our Community Councillor has already raised the issue. This month has also brought two letters from Janet Fox who already has the issue of the speed limit well in hand. Well done Janet. The Editors have also been in contact with Martin Jones our local MP who has also agreed to pursue the matter.
Please keep the contributions coming in - by 20th January for the next issue. Telephone Ian - 430625 or Paul - 430397 or Colin-
Where is Carrog? Carrog Church
Carrog is old Welsh for cenllif - a the gateway to the hunting forest land of
sudden rush of water - a torrent. It was Owain Glyndwr.
which ran from the bridge in present day
Wellies and Wheelbarrows.
Man and dog working together in tion by the Church in Wales a fault was
cluded Carrog Isa, Carrog Ucha, present perfect harmony. A scene replicated discovered. It is serious enough that ex-day Llidiart y Parc, Pen y Bont Farm and throughout Wales. Sadly though not in the pert opinion advised disconnection of the the Wern.
Llan. No matter what I say Jill and Moses electrical supply. This means there is no
East of the bridge in present day do exactly as they please.
heating or lighting. It has been possible
Last week we struggled with Houdini, to run some services using generators but
river Dee, was the medieval township of the incredible escaping lamb. I wanted this is difﬁcult to arrange on a regular ba-Mwstwr.
him in the ﬁeld. He, however, preferred sis. The architect is making every effort to
The main village of present day the road and after a particularly strenu-
Carrog, on the north side of the road, was ous hour chasing him up and down Ffordd the township of Bodorlas. All of the above Cul, Houdini was ﬁnally caught and put in
the shed. I take consolation in the fact that
Below the road in Carrog, on the having been outwitted by a lamb, things
south side and going north in a thin strip can’t get much worse.
by people of all ages and ‘Self Titled’ ex-
Barring Houdini most of this years celled themselves with their acoustic set.
to the Bwrdd y Tri Arglwydd was the lambs have now been sold and have made The event raised £100 towards Village township and old Parish of Llansantffraid just enough money to keep me in the pov-
Glyndyfrdwy which dates back to before erty to which I’ve grown accustomed. the twelfth century. It has now been ab-
As a rule at this time of year lamb pric-
es begin to increase as lamb availability
When the railway came along the Dee decreases. In other words just when I’ve
valley in 1864 they named their stations got nothing to sell the price goes up. I Glyndyfrdwy and Carrog. Houses were think I’ve got it wrong again!then built and Glyndyfrdwy acquired a
church and became a separate Parish, and the emerging villages took the respective names.
belongs more to Llidiart a Parc than to us!
Dyfyr Davies and Valmai Webb did. They named them, from left to right, as:
or Davies), Rector of Corwen Gillian Roberts, Phillip Davies, Nora Ann Hughes, Gruffudd, Allan Morris, Olwen ? Ty Cynnes, Susan Isbell, Gwenda Jones
Jones, Phillip Jones, Dyfyr Jones, Margaret Morris, Martin Jones, Gareth Jones, Kenneth Webb
• The original smithy was the cottage op-
posite the present Smithy now called Bronant.
• The Rectory was originally where the
cessation specialist, she can be contacted • In the 1720s the Rural Dean described
Twenty members of the Club arrived via her secretary Sue Lloyd Williams - tel-
it as .“a mean hovel with a lean-to sta-
at the Village Hall on Dec. 4th, for their ephone 01745 589788
The North Wales 4 - week quit rate is • In 1824 a new Rectory was built - now
lent traditional dinner had been prepared 66%, this is higher than the national aver-
by The Grouse, which was enjoyed by age of 53%. Stopping smoking is the best
all present. The President thanked the thing smokers can do for their current and • In the early 1860s John Lloyd of
Summer Fair Treasurer for the donation of future health. The NHS smokers help-line
£100 and ‘Corwen Friendly Society’ for a is 0800 169 0169
gift of £50. All sick and absent members
Carrog and Llidiart y Parc
• The ﬁrst occupants were John Hannan,
A brief historical account of life in the
villages is documented in an essay, the au-
thor of which is unknown. Extracts from • By 1910 James Morris had become the
Corwen Health Centre
the essay will be published in ‘Y Bont’
choirmaster and had one of the ﬁrst cars
in the village running it as a taxi.
In 1858 the National School was built • His son Gruffudd Allan Morris followed
- opened in 1860 (Now the Village Hall).
The education of the children in this period
was entirely in the hands of the Church.
the battle to educate their children and in
Carrog they went to ‘school’ in the chapel
Out of hours urgent problems (need vestries until a new school was built in
to see a Dr. within 4 hours) telephone 1909. It is said that a lady called Susan
same number and call is answered by Evans used to clean the Church and the very busy time at the end of term.
Ambulance control who will contact Dr. National School at the end of the century
on call for you, it is worth noting that this - but she never went to church on Sunday. tainment for Carols around the Christmas
service sometimes takes a while to answer She met the Rector one day and he said tree at the Village Hall and Charlotte
the phone during busy periods, so in the .“I never see you in Church on Sunday, Roebuck-Dolby switched on the Christmas
case of a life threatening emergency or se-
Susan”. Her reply was .”I’m in Church lights.
vere injury ring 999. For full information, as often as you are Sir, but not on the same
pick up a practice leaﬂet at the surgery.
surprise visit to Carrog Station to see the
lights and meet Santa who presented them
all with a present. After a drink ,a lolly and
smoking? If so you will be interested to
a photo the children sang for Santa and his
know that intensive support and advice on
is available to help you, either on a one-to-
Knock’ was well received by an apprecia-
one basis or via groups in this area. Carol
tive audience in the Neuadd. At the end of
Diana Keyse with a gift from the school to Nat. Assembly and asked for conﬁrmation your neck of the woods sometime. What a thank her for playing the piano for numer-
ous concerts and her contribution to music
The P.T.F.A. provided a party and ing Mr. Lea’s letter and I have quoted from elements in wales both historical and cur-
Disco for the children and they all went to the December issue.
Llandudno to see the Panto ‘Snow White’.
The term ended with a Christingle Service
in Church with the year 6 pupils Angharad, ply from the Welsh Assembly:
Gus, Isobel, Lauren and Sean carrying the
“The possibility of introducing a and a very happy new year.
has previously been the subject of several
discussions between ofﬁcers within this
Congratulations to Brian Fairburn branch of the Transport Directorate and
and Trudi Williams who were married in a decision to initiate further investigation
Llansantffraid Club - Next Meeting
Wrexham on Friday 19th December. We has already been made.
wish them all the very best for the future. Edeyrnion Historical Meeting,
identiﬁcation of the most appropriate ter-
minal points and liaison with North Wales Village Hall - an illustrated talk on Penarth
I have just read the third edition of Y Police into whether a new Speed Limit Quarry - by Valmai Webb - all welcome
Bont. On the front page you ask the ques-
tion ‘Where are our signs’ showing, where of being reasonably self enforcing. Carrog starts and ends?
I am Carrog’s Community Councillor, Council, as Service Provider to the NE
tion and in October 2003 I requested this been instructed on this matter and a fur-in the Community Council meeting I have ther instructions will now be sent out. also requested go slow signs as the build
up of trafﬁc through our village is increas-
ing and is a danger to our young children statutory consultations and legal docu-and animals.
mentation that is required, the introduction
I will let you know of their progress.
of a speed limit could take between 9 and
improve conditions being faced by school-
With respect of your last two issues of way to Llangollen however your concerns
Y Bont and the letters contained therein re-
on this matter will be investigated further
garding the speed of trafﬁc passing along in conjunction with the North Wales Police the A5 at its junctions for both Carrog and and DCC/NEWTA.”Lliddiart y parc, I have, since September
Ian Miller, Ch. Exec. Denbighshire ‘Friends from across the sea’. County Council and also Mr. Neil Fenby
night in Carrog whilst on holiday in this
country. They visited the Grouse Inn for
sibility of the National Assembly of Wales their evening meal and were so impressed and that Denbighshire are ‘discussing’ the with the hospitality shown to them by the issue with the Assembly and it has been local people they sent an e-mail which I suggested that a 40 m.p.h. limit should be have reproduced below. introduced at this location.
will be ‘pressed’ for action. I have spoken “Dear all,personally with Mr. Neil Fenby, Highways
Dept. National Assembly for Wales and much we enjoyed meeting everybody. asked how far the discussions had got. It Mary-Alice and I had a great trip and the is ongoing. I suggested that if he thought highlight was spending a day/night in a petition might help things along then I Carrog. We wished that we could have would organize this but he thought he spent more time there, and also getting to could manage I have, since seeing your know everybody a little better. The rest of December issue of Y Bont written to the our trip was great! We hope to get back to
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